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what is Moral today?
#1
I think I am on the wrong planet at times.

The popular tv show, 24 showed the star taking a vicious bite
out of the neck of a man, then spitting a chunk of him on the floor.
this isn't someothing I needed to see or hear about.

I am confused why this is entertaining to anyone.

the other talk is about some guy on Grey's Anatomy saying something
politically incorrect about a gay man.

I remember when it wasn't socially acceptable to be gay, you could get put away.
Now they have groups that go after you if you speak out against gays?

Where are the groups to protest biting other people?
It isn't like it hasn't really happened .. ask Hollyfield.

I think the social training we are giving is very confusing.
Respect is taught for some things but not others?
this is one nutty place.
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#2
Well, you can't go by TV. It's just a cluster-fuck of commercialism and marketing. It's a tool get us to buy shit we don't need, and believe things that are not necessarily true. It isn't a tool to learn values or morals.

I've gone back to watching less again. I'm happier for it. I'll watch the occasional shows on the history channel, or discovery, maybe even a movie, but not too much else. If I ever have a family of my own (which is getting to be a thinner vision with every day) I don't think I'll use a TV for it's stations. Only to watch movies. That's it.
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#3
I am glad I got to see tv uncensored.
I think kids can learn better about the world if we tell them the truth
I was very curious about the things my parents tried to keep from me
Had they painted a more realistic picture of people
I might not have walked into some things like a "Bambi in the head lights" =clueless

*about being a father, you are young and your eggs won't rot.
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#4
you can start a new wave.
women who want a child go to the sperm bank
A man who wants a kid need a surrogate

*edit don't you think movies are sending the same message as tv?
it is like TV on roids
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#5
Heck, if it gets to the point where I stop looking for a companion, I'll adopt a kid.

You're right about the censorship. There's little reason to censor "bad words." I knew nearly ever curse word you could think of by the time I was 7. I knew a fair amount about sex by the time I was 9. If it weren't for my parents taking part in my life, I would probably have knocked up some girl by the age of 13 (among other life altering, or ending situations).

Parents take for granted how smart their kids really are, and how much they really pay attention to things. My parents were good enough to explain a lot about life without sugar coating it.
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#6
Annette Wrote:don't you think movies are sending the same message as tv?
it is like TV on roids

Sure, most are, but not all. If I keep TV and crap movies away from my hypothetical children, there will still be a way for them to have access to them by visiting friends or family. The plan is to have them feel comfortable enough to ask any questions they might have. That way, they can learn why some actions are inappropriate and so on.
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#7
as a kid I tried a lot of what I saw on tv
some kid supposedly hung himself trying what he saw them do to saddam.

My idea of the world was very "leave it to beaver" ozzie and harriet
I had to find out the hard way it isn't like that.

you are from a different age.
the world is very different now.
i think it is the news that gives us the perception
by going as far and as wide as necessary to deliver
their dose of mind numbing scat
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#8
lately I am reacting to all the commercials for drugs!
I never remember such shit!
I am sick of hearing about all the infirmities!
there were cigarette commercials, liquor commercials.
will you let your kid watch South Park?

I'm not in any danger of having kids but if I were in charge of a young mind
I would fear more the things our culture thinks it is okay for him/her to see.
I'd consider an alternative to public school, or even leaving the US.
I think the mid set, the Mc Donald's Golden Arches mind set is the worst!

who is today's Leave it to beaver? the Simpsons???

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#9
learning what is inappropriate
I think I failed that course completely!
As far as my parents were concerned, I was not following the chosen path.
I never did.
the things I used to do that were taboo are now condoned.
like the support of the gay life style when years ago
it would get you jailed, fired or even in the nut house.

Learning how to discern what is right/good and what is destructive/dangerous
rerquires the kid care about something.
From my first birthday I got the gift of the Beagle dog* I had something I loved deeply.
I meet adults who have not felt care for anything outside themself.
without that I don't know what steers a person?
teaching a child to love and nurture, that is what I'd hope to develop.
The movies that touched me as a kid were Bambi (his mother dies) and Dumbo.
nothing is sadder than the scene with his mother in :jail:
she sticks her trunk thru the bars and cradles him.
movies that hit my heart were Old Yeller and grey friar's Bobby.

*I picked out mr beagle.
they gave him to me for my very first birthday.
Every where I went I carried him under my arm, wore him out!
The pix of me coming out of the nig house with him under my arm, I am about 2-3yr old. Nothing has changed.
I was who I still am today. now the dogs are real.
For some reason that one stuffed dog remained the only toy I cared about.
My parents wanted me to forget it, I refused to accept any substitutes.
He is in my bedroom right now ..
Me and dogs is just the way it is.
I hope Jeri Ryan will hear me out about that bat!
I have her picture, with her two dogs on the cover of Pet Life Mag
I am bringin that and the bat and hope they will tell her to come to the restaurant while I am there.
she could raise the value of it just by association with it.
I bet there is lots of pressure to pick charities, every celebrity seems to have one.
did you hear pamela anderson blasting col. sanders for cruelty to chikens?

ya can't please everyone, my bet is, Jeri would get flack for chosing to help dogs over people
Looking at sandra bullock donated a million$ to flood victims, mr. and ms madonna, mr & mrs pitt are in the news for their activities.

If I can make a dent in the problems I faced with affording care for my dogs..
I posted about this in my rants.

when I saw me in the old pix with the stuffed dog the idea of wanting the bat to help dogs seems less crazy.
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#10
"The movies that touched me as a kid were Bambi (his mother dies) and Dumbo.
nothing is sadder than the scene with his mother in Injail
she sticks her trunk thru the bars and cradles him."

I was able to grow up with those movies too.
My parents kept a close eye on what my brothers and sisters watched, read, listened to, or did. Granted, I would say my mom was over-protective, but I still turned out okay.

"some kid supposedly hung himself trying what he saw them do to saddam" I doubt it. Kids understand a lot more than more of us realize. The context of that event is strictly one of punishment.

Look at all of the old MGM or Warner Bros. cartoons. I still remember the endings of them where characters would commit suicide, "Now I've seen everything." Tom & Jerry would beat themselves senseless, blow each other up and so on. Sure, my brother and I would simulate some of he stuff in the cartoons, but never ACTUALLY reenact what we saw. Somehow we knew better than to be that dumb.
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#11
yes, a boy DID hang himself after watching the :execution:
I read it in yahoo. I think he was about 7 or 8 yr old.

I did act out things I saw.
While playing cowboys and Indians I clocked my father on the head with my gun
I saw it on tv, that is the way to knock someone out.
Once I dropped it on his head from upstairs, another time I came up behind him, doubled up my fists and banged him really hard on the back of the head.
I was copying the cowboy on TV.
Me seeing that was not the problem, the thing they should have been asking is "how come I have no compassion for Jack?"*
You wouldn't see me hurting my stuffed dog like that!
in fact I"d tear you up if you miss handled my stuffed dog!

the time that got me in the most trouble was when I was in the 6th grade.
I had a clbu house in the garage and the bitch housekeeper kept locking me out of it.
I got pissed and propped a galvanized bucket of water above the half open door ..
though I tied it, intended it to just flip, the string broke and the bucket hit her in the head.
She sued us for $1,500 and I never had to lay eyes on her again!

everything I did I got off Tv. the bucket bit was from Dennis the Menace.

I didn't care for violent cartoons, road runner and all that :yawn:

In my time, TV censorship was so heavy, you didn't ever see two people in bed, or if they were married, you'd see twin beds, never a double.

MY parents didn't have to police what I watched
hell, we didn't even have a TV till I was 5 or 6.

I don't think it helps one whit to keep information from a growing mind.
had they let me know more about "the seamy side' of life maybe I wouldn't have been so faciinated when I discovered it on my own.
When I was 12, I was sneaking out at night, going to the tenderloin in S.F.
The "ivory tower" the rich people live in was too damn dull!
they talk about the flowers they saw blooming in some country on some trip ..
I found the "real nitty gritty" a lot more interesting.

The point I'd like to make is this:

I think if we first arrouse compassion in children, they can sort out the right/wrong from anything they encounter after that.
It seems to me, the absence of caring for the self and for others is where the break down in their development lies.
If you care deeply about anything, be it a pet, a person, or even a stuffed dog,
that is the lesson most important to teach = how to love.



I meet people all the time who have no compassion at all.
I think it starts out this way:

Parents who scold their children, telling them "they are bad kids" are breaking down, not building character.
The act, not the kid is "bad".

I had a problem with self esteem, getting too many mixed messages.
"you are so smart, you could grow up to be President"
then Jack would say, "the way you like to eat, you better marry a rich man"
..makes me very angry!

care for the self has to be developed or, as Eda put it:
"you can't love anyone until you love yourself"


You mention you were also fed the "Disney" formula,
the Bambi and Dumbo movies trigger compassion in the hearts of the youngest children,
we all know what it is to want our mommy. :bighug:


* my father pissed me off!
I remember being in my crib, it was in the living room, it was 1953.
We'd moved from the little house [next door to mrs jones] and
into the house I shall be returning to.
the house was so damn cold I got very sick so they moved me down to where the floor furnace was.

Jack was laughing as he teased/tortured me with the bottom of his drippy cold cocktail glass.
He kept putting the freezing cold glass on my stomach!
I made it clear it was not pleasant but he repeated it, laughing at me!
A few years later, I remember sitting in the back seat of the car in the driveway and saying to myself over and over "never trust that man!"
and feeling like I hated him to the bone.
I wish I could remember what he did to piss me off.
He did a lot to piss me off in years after that.
it wasn't till I was over 21 we had any kind of respectful relationship.
He was not around much, he worked 5 1/2 days a week.
My Mom was only around in the summer when the teachers were off.
I remember likiing her company a lot more than his.
He didn't consider my feelings.
He'd drag me to the store, embarrassing me by introducing me as he did}
".. and this is my daughter _____" {what am I supposed to do? a jig?
I hated it when he's spot light me!
He had no insight into the way he made me feel or he just didn't care.
He would talk to everybody and for a very long time.
a 10 min. trip would drag into an hour.

I'd want something and he'd buy the cheapest form of it,
rendering it useless for my purposes.
I need LInolium, he buys me tar paper!
The thing I built didn't last past the first rain!
Me and the neighborhood kids built a rocket ship over a two day weekend.
that is alot of time when you are under 10.
I had an idea to build a Moon but he was clueless and didn't give a shit so it ended up all I could build was this 4 man rocket ship.
I got to sleep overnight in it once, with a friend before it all fell apart.
The Prick!
My biological grand father was an electrical engineer and he had several pattents in his name
I take after him, so said my biological father when we finally met in 1988.
Jack had been dead a while by then.
My bio dad is a big giant asshole and I am Very lucky not to have been raise dby him.
Still, I wish I"d had some one who was interested in teaching me what I wanted to know.
"how does the light work?" "how does the refrigerator work?"
as a girl in those times no one cared to teach me, they just wanted me to be still and quiet.
My Mom's friend told me this, "they dressed you up like some little doll and expected you to sit and be pretty"
You won't find a dress, skirt or one frilly thing among my stuff!
I felt like I was in a box and I didn't fit.
I was bored out of my mother fucking mind!
some how I managed to gainn the compassion for animals, even though they wouldn't let me have any for a very long time.
I wanted a dog, I really wanted a horse!
I wonder who I"d be if I had been allowed to expand in the directions I was compelled to go?

you obivously were taught compassion, it was let to bloom in you.
I don't think it would have mattered to censor your experience
if you first had that lesson learned.

my "buddy" the boy next door would toss his stuffed rabbit up into the tree and leave it! =no compassion and who is he today? no one I want to know!

Too bad they didn't explore with me the things I was curious about.
By the time I was in my early teens I was very sure I didn't want to grow up if it meant fitting in to the roles that were shown to me.
The crowd I ran with did glue and hard liquor. The cops told us we'd all be dead before we reached 18. I was counting on it.
The times changed, it blows me away how much, the gay freedom and even laws to protect the gays when it used to be a trip to the nut b arn or to jail if you were found out.
Lots of things changed. No more dresses! YAY! even my mom wore pant suits!
the thought of having to reach an age when I could no longer wear pants or climb trees was beyond my tolerance to imagine.
My horror scope says "you do not tolerate any enfringements apon your freedom.
You want nothing more than to lift off and fly!
It even says, and this is true, I will not be in any relationship where my freedom is curtailed.
if anyone dares even try to put salt on my fail I flee. {the line comes from "How to catch a bird? pour salt on it's tail"
to quote Yvonne Woodward "u R one of those Unique birds .. the kind you gotta 'nique up on" :lol:









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